Back From Hiatus: Love the Balance Changes But Sadida...

Ah my mistake. I thought [Jiji] had an appearance effect. No need to buff [Jiji], then.

A krosmic tutor spell for only one class is short sighted and makes no sense. Either everyone gets a form of one, or make it a neutral minion.
If you want Sadida consistency, use a single [Botany] with no other 2 ap spells, and have all your other spells be 7 ap spells. Use a [Soul Sap], [Jahash], and [Indie].
[Art of Stuffing] and [Bakara] are optional.

I agree with [Kabrok], but what does he have to do with anything you just said? You mean for mill?

Not hating. Just genuinely want the best for Sadida since it's my favorite class. We don't need neutral krosmics to win games man

I'm not following why you think if Sadida got a card that Discovers a Krosmic based on number of seeds in play that everyone else would need to have that too.  If you want to discover a Milkar you'd have to have 10 seeds in play... It's hardly so powerful or clutch that everyone would be at a disadvantage if they didn't also get something like that too. But doing weird things like summoning extra Jijis would be fun, interesting and interactive.

The reason why Sadida benefits from Krosmics more than other classes is not because he needs them in order to win, it's because of how well they intereact with his other mechanics. Krosmics that are normally weak become trump cards with Sadida in a way that no other class can replicate.

That's why Sadida needs access to more Krosmics than other classes. I was not concerned about consistency. But limiting Krosmics to 7 really only gives you like 3-4 left to choose as Milkaar, and some others are 100% auto-include if you are using bushes, unless you actually want your deck to be weaker than it has to be.

"If you want to discover a Milkar you'd have to have 10 seeds in play... It's hardly so powerful or clutch that everyone would be at a disadvantage if they didn't also get something like that too." 

[Milkar] is hardly the issue. I'm talking about searching for krosmics.

• Don't let [Decepticod] see more play than it already does.
• There are 20 krosmic cards that cost 4 ap or less.
• [Sylvan Prowler] immediately spawns up to 5 seeds.'
• [Pollination].
• A maddoll makes all seeds free, which makes your proposed Krosmic tutor a stupidly easy search.

Stop trying to make this a thing. [Fertilizer] is the best you'll get.
If you want to make things fair, give some variation of neutral krosmics tutors to everyone, or drop it.

"The reason why Sadida benefits from Krosmics more than other classes is"-
No.
From what I gather about the way you talk you're trying to make bush cheese stronger and more consistent. Stop that.

"doing weird things like summoning extra Jijis would be fun, interesting and interactive."
This is the whole reason why Sram mill was killed in the first place. this is why [Blue Larva] and [Psychopath Maskemane] were nerfed. Ridding your hand of cards that do nothing every turn is not fun to play against.

Is decepticod hard to deal with?

As for the rest, as a Sadida player I don't believe what you are saying and I question whether you believe it yourself or whether you are simply being contrarian atm.

How can you compare Jiji to Blue Larva or Pscyhopath Maskemane. It's not even on the same level. It's true that Jiji introduces a negative to the opponent, but he doesn't instantly benefit the person who plays him the way that those other two cards that you mentioned used to. This fuzzy reasoning of yours lacks acknowledgement to the nuances of these cards you are mentioning.

But anyway, let's agree to disagree.

[Decepticod] is a 5/5 for 3 ap. So yes, considering it is 2 at and 1 hp above the power curve, it is quite literally the hardest 3 ap card to deal with, and has been since day 1.

If you disagree, please convince me as to why you believe I am wrong.
I believe beyond all doubt that giving only one class quicker access to all of the neutral Krosmics is wrong, biased, and unfair.

Before it got nerfed, what were the 2 most important unique cards to put in a mill deck? I'll give you a hint. [Psychopath Maskemane] and [Jiji].
The former since drawing 5 is just absurd, and the latter since it is the only card that adds 2 cards to your opponent's hand without decking yourself out at the same time. Again, prove me wrong, and I'll believe you. Don't just call my reasoning fuzzy.

Nah. Let's see what you got.

Again I don't think Jiji belongs in the same conversation as pre nerf Maskemane or Larvae in terms of power  even though he may have been included in the same deck as those cards. In other words he shouldn't be forever tainted because he was once in the same deck as those cards as if he is always one step away from becoming as overpowered as the cards that actually received a nerf once were. Which is what you seem to want to imply.

Also decepticod replaces every card you toss at it by giving you another draw. In other words as long as you aren't being overwhelmed on board, he is basically free to remove. In fact, if you play smart you can even profit from interacting with him.

 

I think you are forgetting somethign about the "free to remove"

You dont have spare mana in turns 2, 3 and 4 (you know, where he is actually a smart play)

A Xelor reducing its pm to 1 and then placing a Sinistro on his line is the only way  i think the downside is really punishing, and a Cra or even a evangelyne hitting him twice is what you could call  a "notable" downside when played on curve. Otherwise, it is not that bad for such a big body.

[Jiji] is fine. I don't like minions that put cards into my hand. But I'll concede. One [Jiji] is fine.

"But doing weird things like summoning extra Jijis would be fun, interesting and interactive."

what. WHY. NO. WHY ON EARTH DO YOU THINK MULTIPLE [JIJI]S ARE A GOOD IDEA.

"In other words he shouldn't be forever tainted because he was once in the same deck as those cards as if he is always one step away from becoming as overpowered as the cards that actually received a nerf once were. Which is what you seem to want to imply."

I'm not implying anything. I'm trying to tell you as blatantly as possible that the ability to play multiple [Jiji]s is a god awful idea, which will just make mill stupidly broken again. 

I think you're overestimating the effect of one extra Jiji. Even if an enemy Sadida, somehow had the time to discover 3 extra Jiji's (but how would you have ever allowed that to happen!?) and played them all at once, one Incision or board silence would wipe out his entire game plan. In other words you would be receiving free wins from noobs/trolls trying to do stuff like that ,so you should be in favor of it.

At the same time though, making reads on what your opponent is trying to do and then maticulously gathering the right amount of seeds in order to come up with an appropriate response seems like something cool for Sadida. To win by cunning and flexibility rather than brute force. I love it. But that's just me.

Btw I am mostly an Eniripsa player but I've taken a break from her because she has actually become a lot stronger from when t he game first came out. I am playing mostly Sadida now because of the fact that he requires more effort to win with, imo at least. My point is that Im' not trying to buff him too much, just maintain an enviornment where he has as much flexibility and creative freedom as he once did.

I'm pinpointing Sadida because as I said, his bush, seed mechanics allows otherwise unimpressive Infinites and Krosmics to become transformed into legitimate trump card status unlike any other class.

"Even if an enemy Sadida, somehow had the time to discover 3 extra Jiji's (but how would you have ever allowed that to happen!?) and played them all at once, one Incision or board silence would wipe out his entire game plan."

Come on, man. if you have both the lack of sense and the ap to play 3 jiji's on one turn, you deserve to be in whatever rank you're in.

I have to point out that [Jiji] needs to be separated from the Sadida dialogue. Turn a neutral unique Krosmic into a lower rarity, and EVERY class can abuse the change. This isn't at all about Sadida.

I'm talking about Sram. 

[Jiji] isn't even something you can spam the field with. It's not even something that should stay on the field for longer than 1 or 2 turns, and when abused correctly, a single [Jiji] can easily last an entire game, through [Second Wind] and the Arachnees. The whole point of the card is to pop it back to hand every other turn or so, after it fills opponent's hand, causing them to mill and waste ap playing the hairs. If a single [Jiji] can be played from hand almost indefinitely from arachnees, and can come back from grave almost upwards to god knows how many times you can pull [Second Wind] recursively, How many times do you think your deck could reliably kill the damn Ouginak with spot damage, if Krosmaga decides to give us 2 more?

[Jiji] isn't even the main discarder in a mill deck. For the love of god stop trying to make mill a thing again. I feel like the pre-Necro/Paladir meta traumatized me into unconditionally hating everything mill...

"making reads on what your opponent is trying to do and then maticulously gathering the right amount of seeds in order to come up with an appropriate response seems like something cool for Sadida."

Yeah seed management's really cool, don't get me wrong. [Chestnutter Hero] is all about getting the right amount of seeds on the field However, you need to build the entire deck around seed micro to get it to even work right, and trust me when I say it's hardly ever consistent/reliable.

(I've come to believe that the most consistent and reliable way to play seeds are with [Kolo Kolko] and [Elmer], since their effects proc regardless of seed location.)

"I'm pinpointing Sadida because as I said, his bush, seed mechanics allows otherwise unimpressive Infinites and Krosmics to become transformed into legitimate trump card status unlike any other class."

Yeah, bushes turn any schmuck that can charge into a cheese so stuff like [Milkar] and [Protoflex] just makes people angry.

Well did you know that [Cottonsock] [Kamasutar] lets you literally play your entire hand twice?
Did you know [Lard Devil] [Beelzebug] fixes all of Xelor's problems in a single turn?
Did you know [Merkator] is just [Punishment] but better?
Did you know [Perceheart] and [Mandhal] are basically Enripsa and Sacrier exclusives?

What I'm trying to get across is that EVERY class turns different Krosmics into dumbass stupidly broken monsters, because Krosmics are designed to be trump cards. Don't put Sadida up on a pedestal because you think they work with Krosmics better than any other class. We're just... really different.