A comprehensive overview of every card that needs balancing, and suggestions for how to balance that card.

Hi,

it's nice to see someone doing this. I know it can be quite a work to write it all down. I read through your ideas and would like to give another opinion on it in a moment.
But first I have two critic points: First I think the title of the thread is a bit unfitting. Although some of those cards might objectively need balancing, it's still only a subjective opinion on the matter. Really this is a "not neccessarily complete list of cards that need adjustments in our opinion".
Second, and this ties in a bit to the first point, it would have been nice to also read about WHY you think these changes are needed and appropriate. Although I know this would've taken a lot more time, this might be the more interesting part. I try to include some of those reasons in this second-opinion.

Iop:
I would include two cards here:
Gzenah "(2) 1/1/3" could go up to "(2) 2/1/3" to match the Chafer Bow Meow card. I think it's a little shame that a class card with basically the same text has less stats then a Neutral card, especially given how much Bow Meows one can include in a deck.

Call to Brawl "(6), Draw 3 Iops" could easily go down to at least a cost of (5). At first I wasn't a big fan of the very cheap card draw Krosmaga seems to have as a standard now and I still think some card draw cards are a bit over the top, but I understand that a game with no automatic actions like Hero/God abilities that don't use up a card has to give the players more possibilites with actual cards.
The Cowardly Maskemane already does it: Draw 3 and get a 3/4/3 body for the same cost of (6) and he is a Neutral card. Therefore I think a Krosmic class card has to perform better like Call to Brawl does right now. Actually if you compare Call to Brawl with Fertilizer or Sarcophagus which both already draw 2 and are non-Krosmic, you could even go for a cost of (4).

Ecaflip:
I agree with a buff for Bluff and a cost of (2) seems quite fine, although I doubt this card would ever become popular.
Now onto Hunter: At first I read your suggestion as "It costs 5" and thought, man, this is a pretty big nerf you suggest; then I realized you wrote "5 less". I agree with a change like this, it reminds me of Jahash*** (he used to make the drawn spell cost 0, like Hunter does it with minions right now).
I have an own suggestion, though (based on your idea):
"(2), Draw 1 card. Its cost 4 AP less if it is a minion, or 4 AP more if it is a spell."
This way it isn't so extremely neck breaking if you happen to draw a spell. I think even the RNG based class shouldn't have such big punishments for a fail (compare with old Eca Roulette, which used to kill the target on a thrown 6 but got changed). 4 AP less for minions is still big, you win 2 AP tempo for basically nothing but including Hunter while also not having to fear drawing and discrding another "Hunter" (or any other spell).

Crâ:
Sorry, but I do not agree with Robin Falsehood. I understand that he can seem oppressive with his guaranteed double-attack early on, but this still just makes him basically a 4/1 which is acceptable I think. It's important for the class to be able to play something proactively on it's own to get the game going and this is the only card that does this early on. I'd rather change some other things about Crâ fundamentally.

I agree with Elite Scout, though. I had the same idea already: make only one part of his ability scale up and have the other part fixed on "+1 Cra" (3 range / 4 AT). I think the range scaling is the more "interesting" part, although it's the more "when I win, I now win more" part, too. Would probably need some testing alongside other Crâ changes, to determine which scaling is the better one.

Marking right now is somewhat strong, yeah, but also not completely out of powerlevel.
Compare it to "Feca Shield" (+3 AR for 2) or "Klassy Tom" (+2 AT for 2, plus small body). The AT buff is notable for the good synergy with the Crâ class, but class cards are meant to build up synergy, aren't they? "Klassy Tom" also has great synergy with First Strike.
But I have to say I also like your own version of Marking. It still fits the name and overall idea. It would be a worse "Time Waster" although the very good synergy with Crâ might justify it. It also reminds me of the Iop card "Power" which only costs (1) but doesn't effect your minions in enemy territory.
So in conclusion, I think you could leave the card as it is, but for the sake of having less "win more" cards, which are arguably problematic for the Crâ class, the suggested change would be a good step.

I also do not agree with Rapid Fire. Right now it's basically "Shovel Kiss" with a possible plus, but also a requirement. If it deals 3, it's just fine. If it deals more, then you usually already had to put in some work. There is no Crâ minion with 5 AT baseline. It can deal 4 on it own, which is a minor plus, but if it deals 5+ you already had to combine it with other buff cards. On the other hand, this can be a dead card in your hand, too. Standard situation: Opponent plays a minion, you play a Crâ against it, opponent's minion walks -> Rapid Fire is not useable (requires you to already had a second spawn row or range buff). Every other damage spell would be good here. It really is an unflexible spell that requires you to already win a lane or to risk an MP buff (then you can play a minion between the opponent's minion and your Dofus and use Rapid Fire) and in both cases it's a one card for one card trade at max. Also is bad on 2 AT minions.

(I wrote kind of a lot to the Crâ cards, but don't think I'm a Crâ main and those opinions are biased. Crâ makes a tenth of my gameplay, like every other class does.)

Eniripsa
The suggested -1 HP to Corrupted Healer would be okay, I guess. It reminds me of the -1 HP "Luke O'Cyte" already got. On the other hand, the "you can heal me up" part is the needed bonus to make the card have an upside over Sergeant Izungry. 4/7 still does it of course, and the Orb is also a bonus, but actually I'm not sure if Heal Eni performs even mediocre right now and the change might be rather unneccessary.

I guess the change to Infected Flask would reduce some possibilites in combination with "Psykosis Flask". It also would make sure only an AT value the opponent played themself can get used against the HP values they played themself. Also the trade between opponent's AT and own AT is obviously the most common trade, so it would only be a minor restriction. To be honest though, although these change sounds fair, I think it's a rather unneccassary restriction. It's nice to have some more creative ways to play with a spell, and not have a certain use forced onto you.

Here's my own suggested change to Cheerful Peacemaker:
"(5) 3/4/3, Deals 1 damage to all enemy minions, whenever an allied minion is healed"
to "(5) 3/6/3, Deals 1 damage to all minions in front of her, whenever an allied minion is healed".
It's not very clever to have an effect that can trigger between 0 and Infinite times also be an AoE effect. The number of times the damage effect triggers already multiplies with your own capability of healing (which by the way can also come from AoE heals), so it shouldn't also multiply with the amount of enemy minions in play. This can create too big of an impact at some times, while also being really bad most of the times, due to the needed nerf that already happened. Instead I would go for a limited AoE effect (less crucial for the opponent when she goes off several times) and buff the stats instead (better for the Eniripsa player if they don't hold much or any healing at the time). At first I thought about her as a (4) 3/4/3 again, but I think it's more important to have some 5 AP options for Eniripsa. And why 3/6 instead of 4/5? The 3/6 body relies more on getting at least some triggers of her ability while also given more time to do that because of the higher health, so it overall puts the ability more in the foreground. As a 4/5 she may become just an good card on her own, even with no triggers.

Another suggestion from me for Malox Makugen:
"(7) 3/6/3, Deals 1 damage to the enemy Dofus on her row, whenever an allied minion is healed"
to "(7) 5/6/3, End of Turn: Heals both players' Dofus on her row by 1 HP."
I don't think we need another effect that triggers from allies getting healed and I also think her effect right now is boring while she's also having really bad stats. So I would change the effect to the rather unexplored realm of healing a Dofus which is a trait Eniripsa apparently inherits, while also giving the option to damage the enemy Dofus with Blood Sucker Tsu Tsu at the cost of own Dofus health. In theory you could even go double on the enemy with Sir Flexington + Blood Sucker or get some triggers from Julith***. It would be really cool to have this effect I think.

Sacrieur
I too think Sacrifice should get a buff and although I think the suggested bonus effect is interesting, it would probably be too limited. There aren't that many death effects in Krosmaga I can think off right now, considering that death effects that summon another minion cannot get doubled. I personally would go with a more boring yet quite effective "Draw a card" instead of doubling the death effect, this would make Sacrifice more similar to Meteorite Shower. However having the double-death effect would definitely be a cool niché thing to have in the game.

I like the little nerf to Moribund. At first it might seem the card needs some sort of upside over "Compulsion" to make up for the forced death, but really the forced death is already a big bonus of flexibility, since it can get used on an enemy minion, too. So I fully agree on this, there is no need for the +3 AT instead of just +2, since I'm pretty sure that the worse version would still get played. And as always: A nerf on one card opens up some space for buffs on other cards.

For example on Offended Oracle? This is a hard one. I personally would love to see this exact buff I already thought about myself. But to be honest here, this buff would probably be too much. The reason for the buff would be to make dealing damage to own Neutral minions more rewarding. And although this sounds good, I think this reward would come in a little too easy. Dealing damage to own minions can already be quite rewarding, for example if those minions have Counterattack-like effects, so it's up to the player to make the best of this "downside" of the class and not get free stats for it so easily. Also simply compare "Offended Oracle" to "Kibri" or "Meticulous Synchronizer" both which have very smilar effects but are way more costly. I think in this case it's fine that only Sacrier minions get the full buff, so the "injuring Sacrier-minions archetype" gets supported more and Neutral minions simply get a swap of HP to AT with the Oracle.

Now to my own problem with both Bodyguards, Silas the Solitary and Bould Erdash:
Since the overkill damage is transferred to the protected minion, these cards are more like an AR buffing spell than real minions. But overkill damage being "wasted" is one of the most important game mechanics that especially new players learn quickly. Therefore it feels very unnatural that this isn't the case with Bodyguards. They kind of defy the basic rules of how minion HP work. Well, again, because they are more like spells than minions. So why not have Silas be a (3) AP spell that buffs 4 AR? Oh, right, because this very same class already has this exact spell, Sanguine Armor. To me the Bodyguard changes are completely illogical. That's why I suggest the following:
Silas the Solitary "(4) 3/4/3, Bodyguard" with the old way Bodyguard works of course, as well as
Bould Erdash "(6) 4/6/3, Bodyguard".
This way they are more like actual minions, first because Bodyguard would again work like you'd expect it and second because with their better stats you'd have the flexibility of just playing them without the Bodyguard ability, if the situation calls for it. The higher cost of Silas also would make sure that he isn't in the same AP slot as Sanguine Armor is and that he does not dominate the early game so hard as he used to do.

Sadida
I definitely have a card to add here: Cammy Kazzy.
"(3) 2/3/3, Deals 4 damage to the next minion your opponent plays, then suffers 2 damage" to
"(3) 3/3/3, Deals 3 damage to the next minion your opponent plays, then suffers 2 damage".
The disruptive power this card provides in the early game right now can be insane. As the Sadidas' opponent it just feels extremely bad if you have to feed one of your better cards into her when lacking a small minion, losing the card and your whole turn. I would want to make sure that it feels more acceptable to take the full damage by having more minions survive it, rather than trying to always avoid as much damage as possible by playing supportive cards like "Glai", "Klassy Tom" or the best case card "Young Drheller" into her. Because in those cases it's the Sadida player who feels bad. You should feel more free to play a Wabbit for example into her and have it survive, while on the other hand the Sadida player might also be more happy to have his card deal the full damage and be left with a 3/1/3, a stat line like "Djaycy" that's quite rare in the game but I think is a stat line that goes well with interesting effects like Cammy Kazzy's. Also notice the flavor she has when the damage she deals with her effect matches her own AT value.

Sram
I think the second suggestion you gave for Deviousness is quite clever to stop the cycling with Bakara and/or Second Wind. But I also think this is a legitimate strategy to build a deck around, so right now I don't mind it staying as it is, while I would also understand if it were to be changed.

The same thing goes for Rebate. I think it's a cool card right now, allowing you to get to your Neutral cards more consistently without losing card advantage and therefore I wouldn't change the card, but I could understand a change, since it might feel a bit too unfair. Although less so than "Deviousness", so actually here I much rather have the card left untouched.

Now onto Army of Shadows and Sanction, the two Krosmic cards almost no Sram plays. I agree on buffs for both of them, but would go for slightly different changes. Reducing "Sanction's" cost from (10) to (8) is certainly a good step but why have it banish itself? If the player choses to combine it with Second Wind or Bakara, then let them execute on this game plan. It's not that this isn't a thing with Devotion or Light Speed, etc. already, and repeatedly paying 10 cards from your discard pile really isn't that easy. Now, I could see that for 10 AP the combination Sanction + Second Wind might actually be a bit scary, on the other hand this play does absolutely nothing to the board state and still isn't winning you a Dofus. You would need another turn to play Sanction for 8 again where it still cannot get combined with a Curse, so it would take yet another turn to finally get 2 Dofus out of the 4 you might need. So reducing the cost, yes, banish it, no.
For Army of Shadows I think you didn't really address the problem. The problem is that this card uses up your whole turn leaving you with not enough AP to play the Srams you just got, while you also probably don't even have enough hand space to hold all the value this card could potentially provide to you. Reducing the cost by 1 seems a good first step, but I think it doesn't quite make it, and giving the retrieved Srams +1/+1 doesn't achieve much. Also I'm not a big fan of buffs on cards that are still in your hand and this isn't a thing in Krosmaga (yet). Instead I would go for something like this: "(8), Retrieve all Srams from your discard pile. They cost 1 AP when played this turn." In this case I think 8 AP is a better fit, playing 2 Srams along side it should be enough. This might also combo well with "Emma Sacker" who you could play for (1) and follow it up by another Sram for (0).
Alternatively "(8), Retrieve all Srams from your discard pile. They cost 2 AP less." Could also go with  a cost of (7). I like the (8) though, because it makes it clear that with 4 retrieved Srams you get the cost back exactly, and starting with 5 retrieved Srams you'd win AP. Anyways, I would try to introduce some sort of cost reduction for the Srams, so it truly feels like you can play out an "Army of Shadows".

Last but not least I would reduce the cost for Unmasked, for the very same reason "Bluff" should get its cost reduced. The effect of revealing a Dofus is usually found relativley cheap on Neutral cards, if this really is supposed to be a special thing for Sram, then have it cost (3) or even (2) (careful with Vampyro, though!).

Xelor
...really? Here I was rather surprised. The only change you would do to Xelor is a completely out of place nerf for one of the weaker cards from this class? Since this class has basically no buffs for their minions (unlike Iop for example), nor do the minions have exceptionally good abilites (like Feca, or Cra), there aren't much good targets to silence when playing against Xelor. As a result when your decks contains silence, you are probably still holding it when Radoris gets played, and this is like the best card in the game to silence. It doesn't even have to be a silence, Armor-Piercing does is aswell. So no, we don't want to change this card. It's flexible and it can be a very big threat, yes, but this is like its only ability and again super weak to silence and Armor-Piercing.

Instead maybe we should have a look at Teleportation. This card in itself is a win condition and as a result the Xelor class has never been in a bad spot. In this way it's much similar to "Psykosis Flask", which also is a win condition in itself. Psykosis Flask on the other hand is much harder to play, because it requires you to interact with your opponent's minions (oh no) and therefore rely on their plays. It also has to get combined with AT buffs or (preemptively played, and therefore telegraphing the Flask play) Curses and overall lacks flexibility. It still got nerfed a bit, reducing the flexibility even more.
Yet there is Teleportation, untouched to this day. It can get played onto a 4 MP minion with no further support and obviously can get combined with any MP buff. Also it has the flexibility to basically kill off any of your opponent's minion when needed. This card should either only work on allied minions, reducing the flexibility, or have its cost highered to maybe (8), or both. I would try out an unchanged text with a cost of (8) and see how it goes.

Enutrof
I pretty much like the little change to Greed. It feels truly "enutrofic" since it would work similar to the "Pickaxe" loot, which also reduces the cost of the drawn card by 1.

I have two more suggestions:
Ratchet in my opinion is just super dull. This is the dumbest way to make an apparantly bad class win more often, to give them a cheap and easy way to deal Dofus damage. It's like a short link to victory if everything else this class could do to win instead failed. I would change his ability to be like "Emma Zone's" effect: "Deals 1 damage to the first minion or Dofus in front of her, whenever you play a spell". With collecting loot instead of casting spells of course. This way his Dofus damage could get blocked, while he would get more interaction with opposing minions and maybe could fight his way through them up to the opponent's Dofus by himself. You could still combine him with for example "Lucky Find" the turn you play him on an empty lane to get some Dofus damage done, but after that your opponent would get the opportunity to block it.

Also Kibri: He could simply need one more stat point, so I'd buff him from a (5) 3/3/3, to a (5) 3/4/3. This makes him easier to compare to the "Black Wabbit" for example, who is like a normal Wabbit + a "Spade" loot, while Kibri would be a normal Wabbit + an "Elixir of Life" loot. For all your minions of course, but since he also destroys an own prism and is a class card, this should be totally fine. Giving Enutrof more ways to win without relying on Ratchet's cheat mechanic right here!

Feca
Oof, in my opinion this class is just a mess. If you ask me, this classes playstyle does not belong in Krosmaga. It's like all classes are playing Checkers and Feca comes with Chess pieces. I would get rid off the Rallying mechanic as a passive Feca trait completely and have it be an ability that certain Feca minions have as their special thing. In exchange giving most Feca minions 3 MP base. Also rework the Glyph mechanic to maybe give +1 AR to Neutral minions and +2 AR to Feca minions, and that's it, no more AR the more lanes you have Glyphs in.
But if we for now accept this snowbally snowball of a snowballing class that either crushes completely or gets crushed completely and is super unfun to play against as well as playing with, because every decks contains the same cards, always follows the same game plan and therefore always plays out the same (except Scara Feca), than I would comment on your suggestions like this:
Warning: yes, change it like suggested
Jeanne Kholmine: no, let it be
Armored Alchemist: yes
Crashing Wave: yes
Feca Master: no, maybe change cost to (10)
New Wave: Here I have an own suggestion:
"(4), During this turn your Feca minions cost 3 AP less but not less than 1 AP."
Since this card is supposed to bring out a "New Wave" of Fecas, it should have something to do with reducing AP cost I think. With this certain suggestion it always has to get combined with more cards the turn it gets played, instead of just playing it on its own and be always active. Also it would achieve nothing to play only one card alongside of it, since you would pay 4 and then have one card's cost reduced by 3. So to get something out of it, you would need to play at least 3 cards in one turn, which means at least 6 AP. Example of an optimal turn 6: New Wave + 4 cost Feca (costing 1) + 4 cost Feca (costing 1). This way you played out 8 AP worth of stuff, with New Wave basically being "(0) Gain 2 AP this turn". By turn 10 you could play up to 6 Fecas with it, requiring them to all cost 4 or less. Every cost above 4 uses up one possible Feca. Possible Example: You want to combine "Melita" with "Crail" (like you always did with old New Wave, right?). They cost 4 + 7. With New Wave it's possible to have them cost 1 + 4 instead, so with the 4 AP from New Wave itself you now can even play another Feca between 1 and 4 AP alongside them. Sounds good, but really not to strong.

Neutral cards
I'm sorry, but I don't want to go over all of these, too. It's just to much. Overall I agree that there are a lot of Neutral cards that could need some upgrades.
I just want to mention I really like the change to Orange Larva to be a tec-card against AR and shields aswell.
Also I very much like the change to Baddoboss. Having him still cost (9) and then making the 3 Bandits he gives you all cost 3 AP less is really clever, since 3x3 makes up for the whole initial cost.
I'm not so sure about his higher HP, though. I see that 3 AT + 6 HP is again 9, maybe this is intended flavor? But I think 4/5 would fit him a bit better then, since you actually want him to die.

Now onto some of my own complaints, which are more about Infinite cards:
First off, Evangelyne. I already wrote a super long text about her, somewhere here in the forum. So I'm not going to do this again, it's all out there already. In short: She gives the controlling player a huge possible advantage, while she has no downside or in other words: no risk, high reward. With the latest changes she even got BUFFED. Simply exchange Evagelyne*** with * in no-Brotherhood-decks and you now get Armor-Piercing for free, or exchange her with ** in Brotherhood-decks and have the useless +2 range upgraded to a useful +2 AT. It's beyond my mind why somebody wanted to do that. Simple change: Reduce the base 1-5 range to 1-4. This way she still has the first attack when played proactively but at least gives the opposing player one more turn to react to her before she attacks the Dofus. This also makes the choice between +2 AT and +2 range more interesting when played in a Brotherhood deck.

Then Lilotte. I think it's cool that her base stats are now all the same and her ability to charge 1 cell when something happens, too, and you now get to choose what this something shall be. But when you look at the 3 possibilities, the *** version still is the best by far. I would change Lilotte*** text to:
"Charges 1 cell, whenever you play a spell" instead of you playing a card. This then would be the exact opposite of Lilotte* (opposing minions vs own spells), which is quite nice.

A little suggested change to Goultard***: Change his cost from (9) to (10). Really there is no reason for him to not cost the maximum amount of AP. I feel like "Milkar" got designed with the idea of being a 10 cost minion: the cost already set and the stats and effect designed around it. I think the same thing should have been done with Goultard***: He's fricking Goultard, so let's make the cost as high as possible so we can give him the biggest and coolest effect possible. Him costing (9) instead just makes it so he can come out this one turn earlier which can already be way too devastating and alo he can get combined with "Phase Difference"... why is this needed? It also creates the feeling that he could have been even stronger, if only he costed 1 AP more, although obviously he really shouldn't be stronger. In other words: Goultard*** is a (10) cost card costing (9) for no good reason.

Last but not least: Toxine. I'm sorry, but a card that interacts with the card quality/rarity has to be the most ill-conceived thing to exist. Card rarity should only matter for your collection when figuring out the crafting/disenchanting cost. The rarity does not at all reflect their abilities or stats in the actual match and therefore no card should interact with it. Especially not in the way Toxine does it: straight up killing off several minions at once, when they happen to have the "wrong" rarity.
So here's my suggestion:
Toxine* "(3) 2/3/3, Appearance: Destroy a minion with 2 HP or less",
Toxine** "(5) 3/3/3, Appearance: Destroy a minion with 3 HP or less",
Toxine*** (7) 4/3/3, Appearance: Destroy a minion with 4 HP or less".
She would serve as single-target hard removal and could win lanes for you in a way Marline or Adamai already do it, so you could compare her to them. The HP threshold would feel very Sram-like ("Spectral duelist" also features an HP threshold to destroy other minions) and there's a nice little connection between the HP threshold and her AT value: she only destroys minions with her Appearance effect that she would also be able to destroy in direct combat.
The upside of this exact wording is that she can ignore AR, shields and Bodyguards, while also not triggering Counterattacks, since she deals no real damage. The downside is of course, that you cannot deal damage to a minion with more HP to combine this with the attack of another minion, so she wouldn't work well with range or first strike.

Oh, one final idea:
I do not like the way the Necro ability works right now, because it's possible to grind out your opponent with the bonus Orbs you can get when revealing a Dofus. Some classes have Necros as a standard inclusion, others don't, so if two slower decks play against each other, the player that happens to include or even just draw more Necros not only gets the one Orb at a time, but can be super greedy and even go for a second Orb. This becomes even more annoying and actually unfair in Draft mode, where the number of Necros per decks may vary greatly.
My suggested change is, that not 3 Orbs form a Golden Orb and then 2 Golden Orbs form the Necronomigore, but instead 2 Orbs already form a Golden Orb and 3 Golden Orbs form the infamous book. You could then make it so, that revealing a Dofus gives out a Golden Orb directly, this would in some situations reduce the needed hand space by one and also be a bit more clean mechanic-wise.
Even when not revealing a Dofus this would need the players that don't want to get a Golden Orb to adjust their playing: You would always have to play Necro->Orb->Necro->Orb->etc. which is kind of cool flavour-wise: It's like a "safety pattern" against the dark powers of the Necronomigore; when you mess it up, a Golden Orb forms, bringing you closer to the book itself. On the other hand since it would be easier to get a Golden Orb (simply do a reveal or "mess up the pattern") and you could get more of them during a match, players might more often chose the Dofus immunity effect, which could be interesting. You could also hold 2 Golden Orbs at the same time, making it easier to chain them over two turns.

That's it from me for now, thank you for reading through this all!

There is an annoyance i have in a few cards.
Ill list them in 2 categories and then explain the problem and the fix.

1. The Recievers

Anathar
Bellaphone
Polter

2. The Dealers

Black Tiwabbit
Little Ogrest*
Prespic
Cursed Rose
Flopin
Julith Jurgen*
Little Ogrest**
Amalia***
Black Wabbit
Cancane
Dathura*
Little Ogrest***
Zordfish
Corrupted Drheller
Dathura**
Desserboss
Julith Jurgen***
Royal Goball
Shadow
Dathura***
Garghoul

Bloodsucker Tsu Tsu?






Ok so I only went through the neutral cards, and also didn't add cards that deal damage on death. or also cards that have the "COUNTERATTACK" ability.

Bloodsucker may make any minion that heals be added to this list also.


The problem is that effect damage should be different from attack damage.

The soultion is to have code for both types of damage. *Which there is* because spell damage exists.
if the extra damage these cards deals is classed as spell damage or even a third type then the trigger cards wont activate.